What is the difference between bose v25 and v35

Often they know more about their chosen subject than I do, so there is no room for misleading or dishonest practice. We have to be totally upfront and realise we are dealing with a very well informed customer. Lets face it, if anyone read this forum they would be very unlikely to blindly buy Bose.

As you can see, I really do believe this. There are many dealers out there that know me and many that have been - not changed - but have come to see that there is a need for Bose products among many customers. As I said previously, if Bose is not right for someone I will tell them, but equally, many people have come to me with an issue and I have rectified it by adjustment or mending or moving. Most Bose dealers are not Bose fanatics and most have a range of other products and most will confirm that most of their Bose customers are happy customers, so maybe Bose is not all that bad after all.

Once again, sorry about the speaker remark without evidence, bye for now. Hi Moofly. OK, patents first. Yes, wave is a variation on a theme, but having made it work to patent it was the sensible business thing to do. Everyone with a good idea patents it except the chap who invented the internet.

Believe me, most other manufacturers would kill to be able to use Bose technology, or wave technology in the way Bose do. The fact that Bose can make a Wave machine or a bass unit smaller than anyone else size vs.

Sony, Toshiba and Apple, in fact most successful companies develop technology then patent it. I can not see how Bose can be criticised for this standard business practice. As for the way the put their message across, yes, it's a bit 'American' but it's fun and lively and people all over the world who have seen the reveal demonstration are impressed with it.

At the Hi-fi shows most hi-fi people were not as impressed but most hi-fi people have systems that most non hi-fi people would not entertain. Look at the facts, hi-fi shops are dying out, very sad. With the departure of the shops so disappear the 'people who know and want to help', and of course, the facility to demonstrate before you sell or listen before you buy. All manufacturers have to get their message across or die.

Some sell cheap in the internet, but they die soon afterwards. Some do more direct marketing, look at the Brennon, advertised in magazines, no price mentioned, 30 day money back, does that sound familiar, nothing wrong with that. Some manufacturers try the big sheds Currys etc but apart from a pile of stuff on a gondola there are few staff to help, many of those who are there have not got the depth of knowledge or the enthusiasm that the independent staff have. With open internet visible pricing, retailers are no longer to make good money, we do it because we enjoy doing it have you guessed that yet?

I had an experience about 20 years ago at a Hi-fi show in Yorkshire where the Bose rep and a British Hi-fi rep were having a very similar discussion to the one above. A dealer suggested that they tried a blind test and on the last day of the show one room was set up with a Bose vs.

British comparison. I don't know if you guys are dealers or public and I am sure you have superb kits but please remember, if everyone cared as much as you did, and had the inclination to have this kit in their rooms the divorce rate would be up and many small shops would still be around. Please, lets stop people buying the small all in one DVD surround systems, for their own good, but at least let people chose from the remaining good manufacturer's who are still out there.

Now, as for your Bose bass experience Was your AM10 a passive or active bass? If it was passive, then it could not change the bass sound, it must have been the amp or the source. If it was an active bass, did it have a round port or a square port? Round was earlier, square is current. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a problem with either, other than some older Acoustimass 15's blowing fuses which Bose replace for free.

A speaker system only does as it's told. Bose does have active EQ, so the lower the volume the higher the bass because as you know, we all struggle to hear bass at low volumes. If your bass came and went, in fairness it could have been the bas unit or the amp, but so long as the speakers were wired through the bass unit and the bass unit was also hooked up to the speaker out and Sub out on the amp, it is more likely to have been the amp.

I have honestly never come across this issue but if you have chucked the Bose in to the back of your attic in disgust, send it to me and I will check it out, free of charge for the check, and see what can be done to help. You would not believe how many jobs I had planned for today, but this is so much more interesting. I don't expect to convert anyone, but if we could at least agree to differ in a friendly way I think my time will have been well spent.

Cheers for now. It's tragic that they are not but that's life. OK, I take your points and if we can, let's just beg to differ. Now, with regards to your system. We all know, when we buy technology, new technology comes out that's better. That is what has happened with Bose and Lifestyle. Look at any kit and then look ahead 10 years, of course the 10 year old kit is sadly lacking, but that does not make it bad, so long as the manufacturer learns.

When Bose first launched their surround Lifestyle systems they developed their own processing called Videostage. It was very good but Dolby and DTS soon became better. Admittedly Bose were a little stuck in their groove no one's perfect and they stuck with Video stage longer than they should have. Rather than re-engineer the CD20 your music centre they left that alone.

This one had the large Din on one end and the mini din or phone and jack on Lifestyle 12 on the other but also a digital coax 'tail' to allow you to hook up to both your music centre and a digital device.

This allowed them to offer digital in for one source which in those days was all most people needed. I will do Videostage 5 below so as not to interrupt the thread. The bass unit on your system is a development from the original audio bass unit, not really up to AV spec, but a development. The big downer here is, as with most 'all in one' systems, there is no upgrade path so I am afraid the only option was to replace the whole system.

I suppose it's like cars. If you want a new one, you buy a whole new car usually. Bose realised that they needed a new media centre so the new AV Lifestyle range came along. The bass unit was re designed to offer real sub bass as well as audio bass. The whole system was much better. This allows you to install the system and then ask it to re-equalise it's self for your room.

With this technology Bose can now guarantee showroom sound in any room. If you swap from carpet to wooden floor you just re apply the Adapt iQ and any hardness or echo is taken away. It is a superb and very clever addition and I won't go on, but try and experience it, it really does work. If you would like me to arrange a local dem, let me know where you are and I will see what I can do. I will also try to find a well balanced dealer not a Bose nut like me. OK, so now Bose have a much better media centre.

They also significantly re engineered the bass unit giving it much deeper lower bass and the option to equalise for music or for movies. Then along came HDMI. Again, Bose were not able to pull a new system out of a hat, but they did come up with a clever switch called a VS2. This allowed 2 HDMI to plug into a switch and then link to the Lifestyle picture and send all, up scaled to the screen.

So, yes, your LS25 is not brilliant, but it was. It is still radio controlled so it will work in a cabinet. It will still play in up to 16 rooms with Bose amps and remotes and even do 2 things at once, ie CD in one room and TV sound in another. I suggest to customers who want to upgrade that they either demote their older systems to a music room I don't think you would like that idea or sell or pass on.

With each one in turn, try a long press till you hear a bing bong sound. Refer to the book but there are different processing options which may make a difference.

Why don't Bose do BluRay? Was that another Videostage, Bose knows best? Well, Bose feel by the time they incorporate a BluRay people will have moved on anyway. Disc is really old hat now. More and more people store and stream. Shall I leave Video stage, because my fingers think its coffee time? If you want to know the pros and cons, just ask.

Last edited by a moderator: Aug 19, Sorry, I missed a bit. I respect all the people at those shows and please believe me when I say, most of the public who came through were impressed and many bought and that was with Bose in the next room to Arcam or Quad etc. Yes, there were some people who got up and walked out, but most stayed and many bought.

Again, one or two people stood up, complained and walked out but thousands stayed and enjoyed. Even today, people come into the shop and tell me about the great Bose show they visited at the Ideal Home or at The Bose shop in Florida or wherever.

They are informed, they research, enquire, listen then purchase. Reading all that is just like talking to a Bose dealer, although its a refreshing change to talk to one that knows more about their products than most usually do.

The bass coming and going wasnt a problem with the system, it was just the Bose processing. I tried stereo and all other modes and it just failed from start to finish for me, even though I had a DVD player with on board DD decoding hooked in via coax.

As you say, there are a lot of people that go for Bose, but you wont find many of them on forums, they just dont forums interesting or care about the finer details. The same people you find here are the same people that enjoy trade shows, so you probably have a good point that Bose dont see the point in going. I would however pitch any system of equal value against any Bose system in a head to head. In a demo room with blind testing not many people with a keen interest in Audio and AV would choose the Bose as the best.

Like you say though, most Bose owners are ordinary people just after a decent sound as they consider it with the money to spend and wanting a mostly invisible system they cant go wrong with. I have defended Bose in the past on that count, but I cant defend the asking prices. You must log in or register to reply here. Similar threads S. The Unify system certainly seems to make the process simpler than ever. Couple that with a very slick personalised menu system on board, that gives you on-screen access to what sources are connected to what inputs — be it iPod, Wii or your Blu-ray player and customized cable connections, means even your your technophobic Dad will be able to use it.

The backlighting also gives it a bit of a premium feel. Bose describes the V-Class system as passing what it calls the Babysitters test. As well as audio and video access, the ipod dock provides full on-screen access to your iPod library using the remote control. So, the idea is that no longer will you be a victim of complex home set-ups and a lack of technological know-how. Like the V-Class, the key difference between the two models are the speakers.

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